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>> good evening, commissioners. chris up urban for street of public works. i try to keep this under 5 instead of some general observations come a food for thought just to put out there. i would say to start off, the consistent thing here is public works. public works is been at the home the whole time. project made managers may change hands but public works in our outreach and a level of professionalism remains the same. if there's a consensus does establishing and building momentum prior to my brother mike taken on the project that information was critical information within a pass on as a project manager. in terms of the character of the sunset, i would say it's a challenge character when it comes to
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greenery. i think the most controversial thing that happened at the sunset in the last few decades is when under mayor newsom 10 years ago we initiated the trees for tomorrow program and said will maintain trees in perpetuity and route their marking the sites and people are out there scrubbing off the markets. so when we went back to see the utility markets, those are there better tree site markings were gone. the challenge here is that a lot of merchants don't want trees anywhere near their signage. we don't have the funding to maintain these trees beyond one year and i prefer large trees. i will with the education coordinator for 5 years for [inaudible] and i are asking why doing a plan larger trees and he looked to me like you've got a lot to learn, some. he said, well, beasties are to be planted voluntarily by property owners who are going to maintain them for a long time and they're concerned about the ongoing maintenance. so i would love to get more trees in the sunset this could
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be a catalyst for folks in the neighborhood to organize the way that friends of the urban forest avenue since 1981. organize the community plans. given force plan does call for more treeplanting across the city. there could even be about the initiative this november that allows public works to take on the maintenance of all street trees in the future. that's where we hope the city is going politically. but i think my main feedback is, it is very difficult to build consensus and i'm concerned that we are not going to get there regardless of how many additional meetings are held. the palms, they provide-there is going to be storm water diversion in the cutouts when the palms are placed in the ground. they are going to be new permeable surfaces created. citywide, were not treeplanting ponds all over the place. but
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when we have a commercial district where a lot of the property owners and merchants are same, we want green but we wanted to be in control in a way that we can maintain it, i understand why the windmill palm was selected. i think it's going to be difficult to convince a lot of the property owners along irving to take on larger trees. what we would call or conventional canopy trees good if we had 10 merchants out here saying we really want that the-has a bigger canopy. could we pepper some of these throughout. i think we would be willing to do that. if the appellant was a property owner along this corridor we could say i'm a workable arche sticking points? maybe we could put a couple in here. so, just in general
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feedback. i think it's very challenging to build consensus and i worried that continuing the dialogue about the species is not going to actually help us achieve any more of a consensus that has already been created. those are just my general feedback items. i do think the windmill palm is probably the one that is one of the lower my least maintenance required species we have. so, it's a real low maintenance tree. there is a must zero public safety concern regarding the pruning of the fronds. from that, and feel very comfortable about the recommendation. but a public safety issue. very low maintenance. and again, right now all we can pledge is to maintain the trees for the first year and we're still working out how to get the water to them for 2 additional years after that. so those my general comments. >> mr. buck, i have several questions. were you around when
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the discussion was heard on the embarcadero? >> i work for davy tree. davy tree removed all the trees along the embarcadero. so, we removed the trees >> was it an appropriate replanting and debate that occurred in that period? >> i wasn't within the city at that time. i know that palm trees are-can really get people's ire up. it sort of love them or not >> let's go back to-they will are windmill palms on-you have a list of what is appropriate street trees. urban forestry is >> yes >> is the windmill palm on our list we picked >> it is. we have about 5 palm trees that we generally approve. that is one of the palm trees.
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>> last point is, usually, from an urban design point of view,, when one sees in a lady of trees, it's usually reflective of either a processional movement or an urban design, or some type of consistency of character architecturally or otherwise. there's nothing consistent on irving street. >> the consistency there is portrayed maintenance. it's really very inconsistent. >> we all agree on that. >> the proposals 33 tree removals with no protest because there's nothing to protest. the trees have been excessively. despite a lot of our reach on our part to ensure proper pruning. then, there is -that's wreaking havoc on a lot of trees in the sunset. supervisor in that district
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allocated money in our ad back to how hopeless removed those trees throughout the sunset. so that's our current challenge right now. were moving a lot of my offering trees so, it really could use some green and like mike stated, this can be almost 10 feet vertical sort of trunk wood of these poems that will really add a punch to it currently does not have a consistent look and feel to it. >> thank you. >> i have a question. i am concerned, one, the toefl community but i understand your issue related to reaching consensus. i kind of look to more reaching compromise instead of consensus could but also, when there is a
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neighborhood like irving which is consistent in its inconsistency, architecturally, etc. etc., then putting one type of tree all the way down block after block after block after block, weeks of urban mall. as opposed to-and also i'm concerned that the spirit of creating a canopy won't be there. can you shed some light on the creation of a consistency that yields urban mall and then also what we do about fulfilling the vision of having urban canopy? >> sure. i think one thing at the moment is that the project scope is about 19th ave.-26-27th ave. it's really not through the entirety of irving and that would be one comment i would say in response to that. a lot of the feedback i than two thirds of the street trees across the city are maintained by the fronting
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property owner and that's why we have such a diverse mix of species could on one block, no one got organized for say it's a mix of species good i personally find that to be perfectly acceptable. a lot of folks, whether organized replanting in a community is a great desire to great identity and a consistency. whether it's a row of kinko's in eureka valley or the palm trees. so, there really is a strong desire among the public to have, to create this section permits create a look and feel for it, but i agree that there is not a lot of consistency out there and if there's a way to find a compromise that challenge would be, i think for mike, how to approach that. would be too easy not to property owners to say, are you open to canopy more canopy trees like a-good i
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think it can be a little bit challenging. overall, we don't have a single monoculture of species in the city and people love the chinese own trees on fulsome street from 22nd right up until bernal heights. it really sticks out. people always ask, what are those trees. i think the palm trees were likely to get the same thing. roll call. what are those and will still provide that wow factor and give it some identity i understand what you're saying but ideally the compromise would be a wonderful way to go here and i don't think in this case he was the clear answer is. i wish the public works could state that we can maintain the streets in perpetuity after november we may be able to say that is true. but we are not there at this point >> about canopy? we feel overreaching trees vs. palms?
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>> i think palms have their place in the mid one city and i feel like this project does that. it's 19th-27th ave. that is not the entirety of irving. we preferred large stature trees that provide greater benefits, but we also, being san francisco would love the diversity and idiosyncrasy while the different neighborhoods. so, that species is not providing the full range of benefits that every tree has the potential to provide doesn't concern us on the small-scale. we understand that critical feedback from the appellants. we do. were not concerned about it spreading and taking over throughout every neighborhood in the city. >> given your views, which i celebrate and like, when you look at the matrix of offerings that were provided to the neighborhood, do you think that
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was enough of a diversified offering that provided the opportunity for diversity and an compromise between one tree or 2 trees were another? >> i do. the runner-up the purple hot seed i should take a closer look at what we are proposing for the public. it's really almost more of a bush could. friends of forestry is to plant a lot of them and then we were doing that tree care visits there were establishing a good group structure. to it to keep these states on these trees really really long. so even the runner-up in this case isn't informative to me. it wasn't the more conventional canopy tree. it was still really the sort of boutique tree. that was another thing that i noticed in the species voting that the runner-up was
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not one of the more conventional canopy trees. so, it seems like the options were there i personally think selecting a species is really difficult and stressful because everything is in play until you make a decision and then everything else is not in play. when people approach me and say, we have consensus here, it's a windmill palm, i may wrinkle my nose at sunday the community will speak out these large trees, but i also feel a little bit of relief. i'm glad there's consensus. the reason is the microclimates. the prevailing winds and fog and the salt sea spray really challenging. there's not a lot of great species that we can put out there. one of the ones i recommend highly as the most sidewalk damage and it's the one is the new zealand
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christmas tree. i feel like for whatever reason it's the most common species that comes back to you when we denied it for removal and people are just like, so tired of the sidewalk repairs. so, when i saw the results of this i felt like based on the microclimates and the reluctance of the community to embrace large stature trees, it kind of fits with what i would expect. >> thank you. >> we can take public comment nebular like to speak please step forward. because good evening my name is kathleen kelly. this is my husband thomas homered and we reside at 2020 per, in the sunset right on the corner of 26th ave. we happen to have actually 5 purple-we are the same east-west access. they are not without issue but it's much
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prettier tree and sort of indigenous in our humble opinion that was being proposed. we are design professionals and we have been designing environments for over 4 decades. tom is an architect and him and interior designer. so if some strong feelings and professional experience. as spokespersons for the sunset resident association were here to respond to specific read this tree issue. we feel that dpw don't reflect the entire communities desires.. for these reasons. the polling method used by dpw for tree selection will be created to we think was a false sense of choice and you can see exhibit their office here. >> overhead, please >> this is an example of the
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kinds of choices that were limited. as you can see, the voters on this voting form cross out the windmill palm and went to the purple hot seed. while this might be a minority point of view, it doesn't reflect the fact that there were equal choices to be made here. >> the meeting also number to the meetings were not publicized. i mean the fact there were 15-20 people there is, well which is a wasn't well-publicized. we feel the nature of the polling, the choice was a lesser 2 evils because the way they were put out to the public. >> for example, here they used [inaudible] selected the windmill palm, but the person also said, keeping the street clean is more important than
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changing the landscape. this was pervasive point of view that didn't get hurt. >> outside our verse disagree with dpw's position that there is no other choices. i think you have in your support e-mails and letter from master arbors james allen and some others. there many community members that feel this choice is turning irving street into sort of a los angeles kind of disney world look with the selection of the palm. and many recognize that an indigenous tree would be more appropriate. you can see exhibit c here, how really the canopy tree was discouraged in the way this thing is represented. the lines through the canopy. >> your time is up. do you want to have a finishing statement there? >> yes. so it's really our
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hope the board of appeals will amend the dpw order request the friends of the urban force may become arbiters with dpw and the community for selection of a good tree. >> the date of iphone question. of the 5 meetings, did you folks attend any of those?. yes. i was in attendance at meeting number 2 and also meeting number 4 and 5. >> then, what was your take of how the meeting went? >> my take was that it didn't go >> could you speak into the microphone. >> my take was that it didn't reflect the perspective of the entire community and the choices that were offered to us , there were no equals across the board. it was just one candidate that was superior than the rest, so is a very limiting choice that we were provided with. >> thank you.
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>> i've copies of our exhibit if you'd like to have it for the record >> if you have speaker cards it would be helpful if you submit them as well. >> next speaker, please. >> i plan on speaking at try to find mr. swig and also get on patricia-neighborhood margins and we also i also had a group called pads which is 22 neighborhood merchants associations. in the marina how we are a similar issue. they came in. they said we want to plant all palm trees in the whole neighborhood. the italians did not like that very well. but we did. we said let's take the choices. we put the pictures on bank windows, places all over down the street. the choice was the neighborhood
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of the merchants. contrary to the first speaker from the department of public works, it is east-west. they do grow. our big problem is that merchants do not want trees in front of their house regardless. it's a very interesting tree. even though it grows slowly, it has a small trunk and you can hide behind it. when it gets to 25 feet the canopy is almost 13 feet above the signs. it was grown to develop the to be on highways. it can take the stress of high winds, software, etc. it was our neighbors, our merchants, devoted on the pictures. over i think over i think 4000 voted this way. after was voted on, it was never appealed. all of a sudden,
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the dept. of pub. works and friends of the urban forester, which are not very pleased with, decided they wanted palm trees. all of a sudden palm trees started showing up here and there and we put a stop to it because the public had spoken. i'm really curious where this push for palm trees is coming from in the political connections, to tell you the truth. i want you to think about this very well. it's happening with mta. it's happening with dpw. and friends of the urban forestry come to one half and save what you want. they don't talk to the neighbors and refused to talk to talk to the neighbors, infected they just had this incident. so be very careful in what you do. i think in every neighborhood has the right to have their look. thank you. >> thank you. >> any other public comment?
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seeing none, we will have rebuttal from the appellants. you have 3 min. >> i just want to clarify that were not protesting the removal of the existing trees. which is protesting the window palms as a tree species that we planted in their place. yes, people voted on the green but palm trees are they provide any cleaning value due to the limited limited canopy. yes there were numerous community meetings the public hearing on this issue. however, not once was a committee given a choice in a natural canopy tree. as you can see on the same card, the options were blue arrow juniper, [calling names] and window palms. not one of them is a canopy tree. a lot of people voted on the window palms because it was the most best option on the menu so to speak. it should be the case that people voted on palm trees
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but also given a canopy tree, we probably not be here appealing this right now. the urban street matrix was also very limited. even so does have a canopy tree which was the black-but was never put up for a vote that. to reiterate, kim members have consulted with certified arborists and are canopy trees that are suitable for weather conditions of the urban street corridor that would satisfy dpw's and communities requirements. both the neighborhood association and the sunset residents association consistently objected to window palms at the committee meetings, ejected at the public hearing, and [inaudible] dpw and the voter appeals every object again to window palms are the reasons i mentioned in our brief. we believe that they're better tree species suitable for this area that will also provide a better environment and aesthetic value for neighborhood. you also provide
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preserve a local identity and there hardly any palm trees in the central sunset warren san francisco for that matter. yes, there's a concern of shop owners not maintaining the trees but it's the same concern for palm trees as well. because they require more frequent maintenance. because they're still clearly a lot of discontent with limited window palms from community residents we hope the board of appeals will rule in our favor and all we want is dpw and the committee to work out a knife turn of choice or mixer trees with third-party arborists. that would satisfy all the requirements. if we plan these 50 window palms adobe therefore 50 years provided almost no environmental value against global warming. with such a great opportunity here to plants escape you vote canopy trees soaked defining our neighborhood and providing aesthetic environmental value for on this plus years to come.
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which means a small victory against global warming. thank you. >> thank you. any questions? mr. reader. >> thank you. so, just a few items i want to reiterate. we did have a public process and begin receive consensus on the contrary. i do feel that if we were to go back out to the community reopen the issue it would go against the decisioncollectively during the public outreach process. we also risk the potential of merchants potentially, if they feel a larger canopy tree that will block their business they may lose support of the project overall, which we currently have support. i do want to mention that-was offered at the
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5th committee meeting as a choice which the very large canopy tree which the appellants mention. that was one of the choices for selection. so we did offer a large canopy tree. the other point i like to note is that friends of the urban forestry provider letter to the board of appeals and i think within their letter they noted there is no perfect choice for this corridor. however, i think the climatic conditions in urban environment conditions minutes of the choices were very small. that's always indicated by the matrix we put together. we do not offer plans that we knew would not work in the corridor. we offer plans we thought would have a high survivability.. we have the other thing i like to mention about the windmill palm, it actually contrary to what the appellants 2nd would have a very low maintenance requirements. they're extremely drought tolerance. then extremely extreme tolerance too bad soil conditions. overall, maintenance release just going to apply to trimming the fronds
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of the die off over the years. the last point i want to make is that while we'll would have loved to provide a large canopy tree that provides both benefits that the appellants mention, with carbon conversion, i think it should be noted this corridor is one block from golden gate park and there's obviously a very large growth of carbon converting trees just one block away. there are no free winds through this neighborhood. i believe that's it. >> question. at the very back of your brief is a i guess this streetscape map with existing business. are those the only businesses? >> no, no. that map was a diagram rebar landscape architects and they noted just a few of the businesses so people could orientate themselves
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>> thank you. >> my question is are there any other districts with large plantings planned in the near future besides earning from 19th-27? >> so are streetscape program at public works, we had 24 streetscapes as part of the 2011 over paving bond. we are nearing completion on most of those. in terms of multiblock streetscapes, most of those from the bonds are completed. we do have the potrero streetscape which is currently under construction. that's premature from 22nd-25th >> what percentage of palms being planted? >> i don't know that number offhand but we did plant palms on the streetscape completed last july that is from 46-48. really, i landscape architects
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proposed palms when they feel the climatic conditions will support them. also, these are many reasons behind the offering of the palm in this corridor. >> then, what is your response to comment from the public in regards to the marina district merchants corridor that dpw had recommended palms and that it got switched over to ever tree that was? >> i can't comment specifically. i wasn't involved in the process good i will say that in the marina there is protection from ocean wins that is not a street that union or chestnut in-those would not be receiving the high ocean wins and salt wins that irving would be >> are direct that question to mr. bob. thank you. >> thank you. mr. bob. >> good evening chris buck with san francisco public works.
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i should address that question >> it's your time so- >> really no general rebuttal. i did double check the list of trees provided on the matrix. this is one my favorite street trees. it is a large canopy tree , so i didn't verify just a few minutes ago that was on the list could integrate very large street tree. so that just confirming that was such a tree offered on the matrix. i don't know the history behind the marina commercial corridor. i would need to verify on chestnut union street. doesn't sound typical. what happened there? again, i was education chordata for fans of the urban forest for 5 years. so my introduction to civil servants in san francisco is really good tree otto a certified
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arborists of course. i am the examined administrator for cancer was to become certified harvested am heavily involved in the industry and we sure all the species information with friends of urban forest did you ever and forced to counsel and really a lot of colleagues as we do want to continue strike pushing new different species out there. so, i do really believe that we've got qualified arborists were evaluating this information with her landscape architects and to our own department at urban forestry. >> are you finished? >> yes. >> if we were to throw this back in your lap and say hey what's a more community input, can you give me a landscape picture what that would look like? good, bad, indifferent? >> sure. i probably will defer
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to do a brief reply and my one week to speak to that because that's wanted about in my mind well how would we were without look like and how would we move forward. to be a single meeting, all or nothing meeting where we put out the information have multiple meetings? do you give more credit to voting member who's going to be living along the frontage, whether it's a property owner or residents or attendance? it's going to be challenging. i do believe that in the end, i think oregon and back where we are. with a preferred species. san francisco is all about due process and the ability of the public to >> we know >> you can be a german tourist and professor tree removal in san francisco. we don't question it. i just worry about how far this would go in this love streetscape projects we are planning large stature trees . masonic, cesar chavez is
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completed but those are large stature trees. valencia, potrero, barlett, van ness, ravenna commit to very large stature trees bid is no pattern by public works on looking for the easy way out. >> thank you. >> the question that's a little bit tangential but i'm curious, how was it-we see this all the time. i caught dueling arborists. the 2 certified arborists will look at a tree and come to very different conclusions? >> reasonable minds will differ. that's just not what lawyers say but even arborists have learned to say that. as long as the basis for what you are playing your staking what you're advocating for the mets a reasonable statement. i do feel that public works as an independent third-party. no one
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here is going to benefit financially from a specific species, other than the phone calls were going to receive for years based on these decisions we make. so i think we are the most independent party out there and work on the answering these calls. people want to know every tree complaint to imagine were going to receive about any tree. >> we are aware of that. >> thank you. >> chris., would your organization consulted on this at all? >> we were. >> can an artist be somebody-was he part of your department or separate? >> i think more recently when the species issue is coming up our current inspector for the area, stephen keller, was brought into the mix it he's the one handling removal process and just generally speaking, we do meet with a landscape architecture on a regular basis to hear about what projects are coming up and understanding
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what's proposed and if we have any issues with it. we typically pipe up and say, can you do a large stature species here. we would-if there's a lack of a full-bodied conventional tree canopy we would say we love to see one on there. so, generally we were close. i would have to look specifically at who reviewed it but generally it some something that happens all the time. >> thank you. >> commissioners the matter is submitted. >> i guess i will start. i understand commissioner your concerns as a resident of central for a long time now. inner sunset. in a visitor of her street probably once a week, maybe twice. trees need help and a lot of my friends are merchants on that block. i
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can see-i was emergent in the sunset for 16+ years and had to maintain that for street trees on a regular, regular, regular basis. i could cd pw's dpw's challenges getting everyone to vote on a tree that would block . personally i think was a tree has matured those neighborhoods a much more attractive. you look at several districts in san francisco that a picture trees streetscapes and canopies . i don't think that it would be hard-pressed to get think i think of be very hard-pressed to get the merchants of irving to that same consensus, to be honest. they willing to wait 15-20 years that to happen. i don't think so. so, i am definitely leaning towards denying the appeal and upholding the permits. >> it does appear that the merchants drove a lot of this decision-making that wasn't
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quite stated that way, but testing some of the aside needs me to that conclusion. let's go to the nature of what is being designed, and yet what is being opposed. i think i'll approach it from the following way. that is, we had a case up in diamond heights where a small group felt they had a right to determine the visual nature of that street. the property owner, who didn't want that is, didn't get her way to the property owner lost at this port. i found that to be not acceptable. similarly, if one
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looks at the words that are being used, it's difficult for me to accept this is consensus when you are talking about the great club hourly of 54% with 15-20 people. to me that's not a consensus but that's not a plurality. however, i also understand the difficulties of getting consensus in our town. i understand we are where dpw is coming from in wanting to put in trees that have some ability to be able to last into the next generation. there is no doubt that palms resist droughts. they resist salt air much better than many trees. i would propose the following. i would propose to continue this for one week and i would ask
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urban forest tree, mr. bock emma and ms. short give me-give us, excuse me, 3 non--palm recommendations of what they would like to see that they think would be appropriate for that area. >> how about dpw? >> they party given those. >> but then what? >> i'm curious. i think-is not necessarily my trees. obviously, the board can vote enter. it was my choice i would take all 3 and put them in there. i would prefer, as a citizen of the city, a diversity. it doesn't make sense to me to see the same tree over and over going over 12 blocks >> 8 blocks. >> 8-12, you know there's no
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correlation to the buildings there, to the activities there. >> i find in your direction.. i'm not sure i agree with the action step. but i'm with you on the position and strategy, but not so much on the action step. i would like to place the burden-i would like to recommend a continuance could we agree. i would like to recommend a continuance for a longer period of time. it might be 3 weeks or a month could i would like to place the burden on the residents association, the merchants association, in conjunction with dpw and urban forest tree for history reach
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out for greater consensus and what bothers me the most is that there really wasn't a broader variety presented on all of the ballots. as was stated in the 5th meeting, a canopy tree was presented. that means the other for meetings that diversity was not presented. so, i would like to ask the major parties, which are the neighborhood representation, associations, to meet with dpw and urban forest tree and month from now come back and with our findings and recommendation. it might be the same thing, but in consideration of a broader matrix of canopy trees. >> i'm a little more inclined to want to know what the
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residents and business owners want. i don't know if there is a mechanism to go back to the predominant occupant, where each of these trees is. and say, here's a couple choices, here are the pros and cons. what would you like? i don't know if that's feasible, but it seems to me that since barring something happening in november, there can be responsible. i inclination is that we allow the property owner to have some say about it. i don't know if what you're talking about gets us there or if we can get there. >> so, one week, 2 months indefinite. do you have input? >> a month.
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>> one week one month or indefinite? >> it can't be indefinite. >> i know. >> since we have to vote on this maybe we can get a consensus >> bill consensus. >> build a consensus >> prior to that i think we should talk about it a little bit more. commissioner fung >> i think i said too much. >> i am willing to stretch it out but not very long. at all. >> for what purpose we picked >> i see where you are coming from. >> lemaster project manager a question. this appeal is of the pre-demolition permits your other improvements, have you started construction on the buildout and the sidewalk
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replacement? >> no, that has not begun. >> that's not being appealed. i can continue. that could take quite a long time. i just want to make sure everybody understands. this does not impact the schedule, but i think it does impact the long-term visual aspect of the streets. >> that's why my first question was where is the sense of urgency and you are validating the sense of urgency may not be as dramatic as represented >> i've not heard any disagreements with the sidewalk. buildout for greater safety or any of those things. that can continue as far as we are concerned. >> some utterly on having entities contesting removal of the trees either. just want to go in and said >> d- i bring up the pounds again and asked her question.
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so, you are the quandary of stuff you're going on. if we were to give you more time will you do with it? >> i think we want to consult bring in the friends of the urban forest to advise us on the process and perhaps have another meeting, community merchants, everybody, dpw. friends of the urban forest to discuss it. come up with a turn of options and vote again where we have a broader range of options up for vote >> in a perfect world, time with it take for you to get a college? >> it's hard to say. friends of the urban forest, in standby mode they said they would advise us if this would be appealed. so, we can definitely get there--them, their advice, could i do know >> 30 days, 60 days, 90 days? >> probably-what with the
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sunset association think? 2 months. the person involved from the beginning >> you do live in the central sunset correct? >> yes. we walk on that stretch like 3-4 times a day. it's important to us >>. abusing a lot of your free time for this. >> is there a separate merchant association as well? because there's a merchants association and the neighborhood as well. they were involved in the process so we could advertise and bring them in. we could put notices on the merchants of doors if necessary to get as much engagement as possible for the meeting. because i think maximizing engagement-because the commissioners want to see involvement other than 15 of the same people on a regular base. thank you very much >> we should ask the discussed supervisor's office wants to be involved in this.
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>> is a represented from katie tang's office here? sorry i did not see you there. >> my question is, does your office want to get involved in this? >> i don't expect to speak today but if we have more community community meetings, believe we will be willing to participate and help out to facilitate the conversation >> this alternate may be better by your office then dpw. >> we will be happy to do that >> i wonder katie is watching? >> should identify myself >> these >> ray law from katie tang's office >> thank you. >> i would not support dragon is on. for too long of a time. i think the issue are well-known. i think the people all know it but just try to see
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one last step we can take to create something that is a bit more acceptable. i don't think were going-we would never get total acceptance >> what do you think? >> not more than one month >> i agree >> it forces the issue for the merchants association come in the residence are passionate about it to mobilize that is not interested in mobilizing the come back in a month and if it has some move forward we will take the next that >> we will know the answer, then. >> yes >> just to be practical looks like april 20 desire for a little extra time which is fine those old meeting the first 2 weeks in april. >> celebs over to april 20 >> is there a motion? >> i would move to continue this case to april 20 if it's acceptable to both sides as a date for perhaps not only the
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department and the residence and the association, but also the district supervisor's office to convene and see if we can get this closer to a decision point. >> so we have a motion for the vice president to continue the appeal to april 20, 2016 to out time for the department, community residents, neighborhood association and supervisors tang's office to convene a meeting to see if it should i say additional consensus can be reached?. yes >> on a motion, commissioner lazarus aye, the honda aye come he wasn't aye swig without
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objection that motion carried 5-0. this no further business >> thank you. >>[gavel] >>[adjournment]
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about think generated by caesarean more renewable sources come to our home e.r. businesses to the pg&e lines >> good afternoon i'd like to call of the sfpuc to order it is one 37 madam secretary can you please take the roll commissioner vice president moran commissioner caen commissioner courtney commissioner kwon everybody is present we have quorum >> thank you. next speaker, please. >> >> next item is approve the minutes of february 9, 2016,
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a motion to approve the minutes. >> 70 second questions or comments public comment on the minutes hearing none. >> all in favor, say i. >> i. >> opposed? the minutes passes unanimously next item, please. >> item 4 general public comment. >> mr. da costa good afternoon. >> good afternoon, commissioners so i'm here to speak on a number of issues i am very interested in getting a set of salutation on the water improvement project especially mountain tunnel and then i'm very interested in knowing about our water pipes the city some one miles plus in view what
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is happening in flint i'm not saying to make a comparison a detailed comparison but we need to know how many of our led pipes are removed and what data is available because you know we are ending coming to the end of at water system improvement projects cannot take anything for granted for example, the salutation on the mountain tunnel but now we're fourth street to expand maybe over one hundred millions that is taxpayers money on the southeast you may know that is no longer - it has been move forward to one 50 executive park because you're
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now have a longer lease for another 4 years however, commissioners you must remembered the task force was created where the task force mandated 5 percent of a billion to you multiply that by 6 it is $300 million you commissioners are not doing a good job how money is spent after the monies were put in place we found out that one of your assistant general manager took upon herself to send $400,000 which went before the staff political action committee and the san francisco ethics commission and when such things happen it
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brings a lot of thoughts buses my point is simple from the task force fought for those monies we want to know what is happening the community when it comes to workforce, real workforce and career jobs i mean and also when money is spent in terms of of grant and given to people we need dialogue happening the southeast sector thank you. >> mr. eddy please. >> if i got interject i think that ann is an interesting point mr. da costa brought about the our pipes and could we have a report on the conditions of the our water pipes. >> yes. we can definitely do
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that. >> what specifically the materials they are and their condition. >> and how often we check them. >> and maybe led content. >> lead content. >> pipes there is water in them got it. >> thank you. >> yes. mr. young. >> good afternoon commissioner eddy executive director of bryant line that's been been a minute since before this commission and that's because we are engaging at the state 11 level around the issues bryant brought during general public comment an issue around the scene 2.0 due to our staff attorney with the public utilities commission about a
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mapping tool over sgaejsz communities unfortunately, the 2.0 version didn't include bayview this was spoken to bringing up 3 points the 2.0 didn't take bookstore by a take into consideration the methodology about the factors such as the cost of living in the bay area that is unique and third and finally it is the data itself used in that particular tool is underrepresented when it comes to communities such as bayview hunters point and from the general manager commissioner caisley leadership that the african-american and the latino community and community that face pollution barriers from urban pesticides to tell you
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meeting size to superfund size by the creation that was sported 5 years ago and fast afford there is an effort to take the tool and the only tool to describe the sdaejsz communities we think that is port with certain environmental pollution burdens it is executive of the city and county of san francisco and seeing that happen at the state level puck puc and hopefully get direction if working with our staff there is a legislation pending in sacramento to help push along the cal bills and we'll go from there, i suppose and thank you, again, for our leadership two years ago and seeing their fruit new thank you. >> i have a question about you go i've been following about the
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cal virus and my understanding the legislation pending will maybe this is for staff but this pending legislation may correct the issues and may redefine the neighborhoods. >> potentially one of the factors that are particular many that piece of legislation is the populations density and there are a number of factors being discussed assembly mechanic said it maybe an issue of dense focus for the caucus and hopefully yes calaveres screen 2 pointed 0 will be revised there is a presentation because of air flow there are no sgaejd community through the program we'll see that simple not the case. >> maybe in one of the
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meetings get an update on that legislation especially, as it remths to 9 sfpuc activities and some vantage maybe a followup letter. >> yes. thank you. >> thank you general comments any other hearing none, next item. >> >> item 5 communications so you have communications before you in your packets or on your screens commissioners any questions or comments on any of the communications? >> yes. >> i had a question on the pacific core item and wondering who gets to decide on their
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application and what opportunity we have to participate in that process. >> barbara you want to. >> i'm sure i didn't hear the question. >> item 5 asked the request to be part of service area. >> yes. >> and on one hand and it sounds like that is a decision that has impact on us i was on one hand how we participate in that process. >> it decision is going through a participatory process that is designed by the california assistant operators they've designated some municipal electrical utilities to represent the utilities and we're participating in that process through them as members
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of the california municipal association that's our are participation behind the scenes orientation organization and participating at the i s organization with the legislative opportunity to participate we're keeping an eye on those. >> at some point and i'm not sure what the form should be but get an update open that process as well as what potential opportunities might assist with our own. >> ebt to have an offline briefing it can, go deeper if you like. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> i appreciate i don't see karen here but i appreciate the work that is done on the green
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infrastructure program so i don't know as that roles out it will be great to stay apprised we have a pilot on line and how the sites will be maintained and the skills and the operations piece and we'll definitely give you an update on the green infrastructure that relates to the assistant improvement program and talk about the stormwater fee and how that ties together we'll bring that to you. >> i mean specific to the workforce piece and how many what are the maybe the old engineers infrastructure engineers that are trained or we're looking attracting additional engineers that will be trained in green infrastructure a bigger communication on the workforce
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development that would be great anything else on communication. >> public comment on communications? >> sometime ago sfpuc used some consultants not your local staff but consultants to give some classes on eco green participated and we found out that there were difficulty in understanding how to use the materials also the technology we talk about green infrastructure but many a time
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the technologies are used somewhere else so we need to find out as was alluded how many of our engineers have those skills and how many of those working for sfpuc have those skills we went to classes and hoped for certificates maybe they're listed as taking the basic classes so the other thing we have to note is even though we had a drought for four or five years and could use a lot of the technology maybe this year and the next year we'll not be able to use it because assess rain and we still have to figure out some areas where we use this
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technology on caesar chavez and some other places why is it that the stop working as it ought to work and also have to use deeper skills when it comes to fulsome street there is assess of flooding and near army streets assess study and haven't done much accept trying to curtail the damage by using sandbags it is a good idea but need local skills sfpuc employees so that we can contact them and use them use their skills in our neighborhoods some of our neighborhoods are
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experiencing flooding which is tied to this for the last 60 years and ever flooding causes a lot of damage so i'll brought to your attentioning from the community at large can take care of that i have to go to the board of supervisors. >> any other public comment on communication. >> item 67 other commission business. >> commissioners public comment? next item, please. >> item 7 a resolution honoring dr. espanola jackson. >> so definitely would like to take the opportunity to honor
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the family of dr. espanola jackson on january 24th of this year i received the sad news of dr. jackson passing you know, i joined the family and the community in mourning here loss had an opportunity before the meeting to break bread with the family and talk about the war stories and the fun times that we shared together making process the city what really came out about espenosa she is kind and caring individual but a warrior she's made so many changes to the city and also to the bayview hunters point area and also we've seen her present at the most of us
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have experienced her fire about issues that meant a lot to her we're going to really miss here at 4 hundred i'm sure the good thing about the commission meeting it is taped if you want to see a replay of issues she were paths about it is on video so her legacy is here to stay and my vow to the community and the family that anything that the puc is doing the community or the city i want to share with the family and did community to make sure that i hear their voices before we move forward so with that, i would pass it back over to you, you read the operational. >> it is my great honor to read this resolution in memory of dr. espanola jackson and from the family and friends would
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like to stand we'll invite you to come up in order to hear the resolution and be here to take photographs resolution honoring the life, activism and contributions of dr. espanola jackson to the local community whereas on january 24, 2016, dr. espanola jackson passed away at the age of 83 and whereas known as mother jackson and recognized by self-sunday time for her family values dr. espanola jackson epitomizes the shirt there humor and unconditional love for the community and whereas dr. espanola jackson embodied the true spirit of a community leader by educating dozens of mayors and others about the entering qualities in race and
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income around the bay area to garden the support and effect changes and whereas dr. espanola jackson tireless worked towards improving the lives of the african-american and the tribes because she had a lot for the city and county of san francisco especially 9 bayview hunters point and whereas dr. espanola jackson exhibited the soul and hereto of the bayview hunters point because they helped those who were struggling to pay rent and shared meals and spread her message from day to day and whereas dr. espanola jackson enhanced the african-american community through her dedication and weight of knowledge and expresses those qualities in hero duties of several committees as well as a member of many outreach associations
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including the black human right council and the san francisco democrat form and health and education and dignity. san francisco jointly housing and the new bayview committee and the california state rights and the civil jury commission commission and the council whereas dr. espanola jackson was instrumental in growing the next generation of leaders she was an superstition for young people to become active and whereas dr. espanola jackson worked with the san francisco public utilities commission sfpuc to improve their operations around bayview and san francisco from her service on the digesters task force and the southeast working group and modernized the plant to benefit the community
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and whereas dr. espanola jackson was a champion of clean power and an early who sold panels in her neighborhood and a strong advocate for bringing solar energy to communicates and whereas to the bayview hunters point need for a institution dr. espanola jackson placed a pillal pro-roll in the southeast community where local recipient going could get an education and pursue fields like biotechnology and nursing and whereas dr. espanola jackson list of accomplishment have been honored and recognized by mayor frank going forward and willie brown, jr. the u.s. epa federal woman's program and the san francisco magazine and many others and whereas the communities was near
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and dear to my heart and until her last day dr. espanola jackson continued to speak about issues effecting the public her legacy will impact the lives of those grateful for for her countless endeavors therefore, be it resolved this commission hereby honor the life of dpraeks will be remembered as a tireless leader within the city and county of san francisco (clapping.) >> if it is okay. can we open up with sam murphy and introduce
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shirley and gwen. >> exclusively. >> whereas hello. >> (laughter). i'm sam murphy i'm samuel i work to the san francisco utilities commission this is a very hard for me i want to say thank you to the commission for doing this thank y of mr. kelly if you don't know harlan and i we're very last hour espenosa taught us to do proper protocol so everybody see will not be speaking that's not the way espenosa will know it and
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commissioner moran you knew her and commissioner caen so we're going to do that that way for her so the two people that will be representing to speak for the family and friends will be mother shirley jones and espenosas daughter jackson thank you shirley >> i'd like to say we thank you there is no words we can say to tell you how much we preshlth this day she's up there looking down smiling very pleased as we are and we thank god for you all taking the time to give this resolution of whereas and i want to say she was a wonderful person
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a loving money a 65 old friend of mine and my sissy know she's pleased we all are so pleased and delighted to, here to accept this resolution gogd and thank you. >> on behalf of our family and friends thank you honoring my mom for the work she had done we know her legacy will live on and through you all to make all these things happen i appreciate it i remember one day i came here my mom was like what is like she was anger about something i don't know but we can smile today in her honor for things that are happening and
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again from the bottom of my heart my sisters and family and friends so so much our heart goes out to you, you we'll send you a thank you another day but such. >> thank you very much (clapping.) >> and we like to now invite you, you to come up so we can present you with the reds and photos everybody can come up we'll take one more photo.
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>> come on up, come on up.
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>> (laughter). >> thank you.
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>> are there public comments on this item on the resolution?
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yes >> thank you that was beautiful and it is really good to keep on remembering her i really appreciate that thank you very much. >> thank you. >> game-changer just briefly i'm commissioner king from the southeast community and i just met commissioner cane i want to say in reference to dr. espanola jackson she called me up about a meeting telling me how important to be at that malia cohen she said baby we need to be there at tribulation she said you won't pickup me i drive myself he ever
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where she had any on the bus as a teenager mom a and so many things she did for the community so thank you all very, very much >> next comment. >> briefly from bright line thank you for this resolution. >> any at a other public comments on this item hearing none, and thank you very much for the family and relatives of dr. jackson (clapping.) >> next speaker, please. >> item 8 is advisory committee quarterly report. >> good afternoon, commissioners i also want to start by on behalf of the advisory committee expressing my condolences to dr.
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jackson family i remember my first commission report and so public comment came and dr. jackson came out for comment they talked about how the e j seats and how the history of cac had failed to have a relationship with the people of the southeast community and she look at me and said he met this gentleman today, i think we'll get along fine i took this criticism because of drablgs we hope the first and hopefully not last meeting with the joint commission and we never visit with the southeast we were able to hear and see the people and her, she meant a lot to me and i
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will miss her greatly on to my report on january 19th the cac held the elections for the leadership i'm happy to say i was reelected to another term and that the community has so much faith they've honored me with a second term and reelected rebecca lee as the vice chair in district 4 as our secretary and amy is excited to take on that role for the correspondence for the cac we had 3 new appointments last year dr. lee was appointed by the mayor for the finance seat and district 3 our new representative is leslie and district 4 aim i didn't that represents supervisor kim's office the cac continues to be a
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difference represent body made up of 40 percent ladies and highly educated individuals with the connective status and proud that despite our methodologies and other things we're probable one of the most productive bodies the city i think we set a good example what a good challenge to be to represent the district and communities world cup's and environmental justice goals and through the sfpuc transit this year we passed two last year 3 resolutions in which i addressed in my last report the support of southeast community sorry the southeast facilities
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community outreach process and the impacts of the system and improvement which we adopted in january we collaborated in events following high priority neighborhoods and have a sense of the puc and the transportation authority on january 23rd to talk about the blackout on treasure island with our representative mark our priorities the 10 year capital improvement plan and the southeast revitalizations and the spiritual justice and the sewer system improvement plan and stormwater management and cleanpowersf prelims and the advancement and empire security and drought we currently have two draft resolution that are voted on in march we to the department of the proposals the first is the lake merced
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west development resolution and the bubble resolution i also wanted to thank supervisor avalos that come out came out to the last meeting for the affordable housing reservoir and i want to thank the commission that comes down to our meetings and keep on coming we love having you and thank you so much for the last two years and i looked forward to starting again for the next 4 years. >> thank you very much and congratulations on our reappointment we're lucky to have you, we appreciate our service and the ambitious agenda we're looking forward to that. >> i'll add along with the comments wendy you're doing an amazing job so make sure you come back. >> thank you. >> public comments on advisory committee report.
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>> hearing none next item, please. >> item 9 a report of general manager a. >> good afternoon, commissioners first is the drought update steve richie. >> good afternoon, commissioners steve richie assistant general manager for water next slide, please it is probably well, we had to cancel the february 22nd commission meeting everyone was talking about the disappearance of el nino and things congressman rapidly as we'll see this is our standard chart on the storage levels with i'll point out that the water bank increased 5 percentage wants if where it was
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not just last weekend through this storm basically friday and saturday and sunday added that much water to the water bank and 3 percent to the total system storage so we got a lot of water this weekend and, in fact, in particular an e-mail that noted that san jose depth increased 36 to 40 new inches at salutation plus that water salutation will say a lot of water and rain and snow that is really good for our system and just a quick slide on the other reservoirs around california the blue bars show where the water are relative to the historic averages and all the reservoirs are doing better than it they have lastly it is good more all california but they lag where we are but still
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more weather ahead in particular our precipitation at hetch hetchy that bumped us up to 40 percent both normal and this is a positive sign for more as well as snow pack we've bulged up the last couple of storms and things are looking better than on the snow pack that doesn't mean that the water is filling up but certainly pro tem this is a slide we show where the water available to the city maybe on the two relative to the water in our system on the green line as you can see where the one and 39 thousand feet with that number steady increasing if we get 10 thousand plus this will total fill up you
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are system bans the projects on the last month's results we are predicted to get to 6 hundred and 15 that will go up so i think the possibility of phil our system a better possibility than it has the precipitation numbers again up february was a lousy month but march so far we're at 80 percent in hetch hetchy and a similar percentage roughly for the bay area reservoirs we're doing better after a poor february. >> and the precipitation forecast the bright colors are good the reddish shows this week's precipitation forecast
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and the following week not as much but an unsettled period that is good news more water management and again, the deliveries are allow people are conferring a creeping up in demand nothing to be alarmed about i think that is a little bit warm but the is well below than prior times and that is a quick note the state water board is having a framework for a longer than conservatism so extend the level we asked to reach out to folks the urban efficiency and report back by may first with bosca and others are to participate with the board staff we're interested to hearing where they're thinking of going and our
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suggestions how that will work the future statewide i'll be happy to answer any questions you may have. >> i have a question. >> on our first slide how do you get 899.9 percent plus 4.7 percent. >> oh, the 99.9 that is normally where we arrest are generally, we fill water bank we're on the average we're full the plus 4.7 is the current at 39 plus last weekend that was 39 percent full so we've increased 4 plus percentage between last monday and this monday the 99.9 is an average number of storage
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but means we increased about 4 percent from the last week. >> okay. i thought that was some type of a new math. >> if i can make bigger numbers i'll do it; however, i can. >> any questions or comments any public comment on the drought update next item, please. >> general manager. >> the strategic plan update and ellis will give you an update on that. >> i'll ask for the slides to come up. >> so juliette for the external affairs i want to workshop the 2020 sfpuc strategic planning process and share some of the work. >> our goal today not to cover
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every aspect but share the process and the goal areas with the objectives that are executive team has priorities and any high-level growth that to get a sense of anything significant. >> so i'll spend a couple of minutes fairly quibble trying to describe what the genesis for the strategic planning process and really our general manager has really been the driving force the process to begin we feels strongly we need a road map for the next 3 to 5 years to connect our day to day work to the long term agency wide vision and looking for an opportunity to link the warment and pour as you imagine there is
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a function as their own organization and many of the enterprises are through the processes for the particular enterprise that lacks the authority for the overall priorities and have the plans align with one another and lastly as an agency we're looking for opportunity to improve the work and look at it best practices and share the information around the departments and focusing on the effectiveness as an organization you mean we also currently have a strategic sustainability plan, which we use as a framework to track process on action items throughout the organization while it is a helpful framework with the triple line approach it is the strategic in part because the breath of information collected and recorded on about 80 percent key indicators that
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are the plan part of strategic plan we'll have the framework crossed all areas of the organization and then more about strategic direction rather than the data collection and finally has mentioned before the mayor has directed all the department heads to submit the strategic plans for all departments so unfortunately, our process has been a request from the mayor's office as well so we kicked off our strategic planning process last may with an executive retreat with our consultants and i believe arcades i saw them i did peter who has been helping to facilitate the process as you can see from the timeline this is a work in process we're testing with the senior staff
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clarifying the acts and timelines and the process of creating the last components of this coherent plan and our consultants are really been in charge of finishing complete the native that will come to the commission as a final work product for adoption in april and then briefly walk you through through the work the executive team identified the areas that are the biggest priorities for the agencies and some of the feedback from the communication memo we submitted an update a couple meetings ago some questions about the strategy behind some of the things we been prioritizing we spent time providing context around what that process looks like so back in may we conducted a swat analysis for the
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opportunity and threats and this is familiar to many of you this is the strength really being the sense we do well as an organization but the weejss and the areas to improve the places in environment and as we look at the future and the treats the areas that we should be prepared for and keeping an eye on to respond to. >> these are some of the things on the slide as far as we've included the slide analysis that came up through several the mayor edwin lee's from the executive team but not a surprised to the commission we been looking at this organization for quite a few of the they have the need to manage the infrastructure and improving the enterprises and the workforce needs and building support for future rate changes.
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>> in addition to the swat analysis we have a self-estimate we sees the place on the slide and this process really helped us hone in and identify the areas where we will focus our attention there are areas that reflect the importance to the organization and that we kind of assess we have a lower achievement the areas when you look at the quadrant on the slide it is the upper left area that is reflects the lower importance in regards to the issues so the easier we prioritized the assessment include a focus on employee and leadership development, operational
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infrastructure stability and wider resource advocacy under the leadership and development some of the things that were discussed were ongoing commitment to leadership and employee development and the workforce plan to guide both our h.r. process and help us if we think to prepare for that suppression issues under the infrastructure ability a lot of communication around the need to have uniformity it the capital improvement plan process and a need to have a centralized process we been asset management and reilly tying the asset management to a forward-looking 2 and 5 year budget cycle under option there were a focus on institutionalizing with the particular focus on the improvement program and really trying to identify to look at
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lessons learned from the water improvement and around resource coyotecy we spent time looking at the need for better collaboration between hope sf and one area of focus. >> may i ask a question. >> so gm where are you in terms of employee satisfaction i find the utilities you know customer and staff satisfaction so how in terms of leadership development how are leaders accountable you know and their staff in terms of hour they're leading. >> how to communicate back to staff. >> so we'll get into that a goal around the workforce development i can give you a
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sneak peak but an area of focus our general manager has been pushing with an organization and new leadership that through the h.r. department as well as there is additional work happening around core confidences and what are the core components across the different types of chafthsdz and a bunch of work the strategic plan around tying the core confidencecy work in evaluation processes so it direct connect around accountability those are the things that folks need in order to perform well at their jobs and all of the training and leadership development is tied to the report our general
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manager can jump if 2, 3, 4 if we assess there is more to be done in those areas to creating the accountability but there is a lot of good work in regards to articulating what the performance means and how to tie it into the evaluation system but additionally if you have ideas we would like to hear them. >> the past we have done a climate survey how employees feel about their jobs we have that but what we want to do is strategically come up with a plan the direction we want to guess and tie it into how we you know carry out the mission and tie all that together and also up i put that into the performance evaluation and make
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sure that once we come up with this structure how do we communicate it to staff what is in it for them and how it effects them once we start educating we evaluate do they get it or not. >> that is the employee satisfaction it is the employee engagement with the offer the next 5 years the retirement rate the utilities we'll be completing the city and county we'll be competing for the workforce and the higher satisfaction rate. >> definitely. >> i'll go back to the slides. >> so with those priorities with the slot process and the utility development in mind we begin to take the plan focusing
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on the vision values and big picture goals so for the condition we'd like your input on the top two areas on this shied primary are areas we anticipate they'll stay the same over the next year's and the staff and the blow them the higher level goals in my presentation i'll share some of the ouvenz a working draft and could change so again, we're asking you to give us feedback on the high-level goals. >> so the executive consent sometimes we end up what happens an affirmation we made a few changes to the mission statement so as you can see that listed there i can read it to you as well to
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provide high quality reliable sewer service inclusive of the interest the resources entrusted with our care and quite a bit of conversation around that there's a lot of attachment to the mission statement that is a good thing because you went through the processed a few years ago to develop this mission statement and a it resonates with the commission so in time section we think this helps people describe the values that are 5 core values for what the puc stand for the first one is service that we focus on customer satisfaction and innovation and excellence we strive for professional excellence and recognize the axiliary performance and the
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stewardship we that have entrusted to our care and the access and transparency to stakeholder and community members and the last one is the safety we take health and safety of our employees seriously and those values are important to us to be able to shoot the vision that includes the communication honestly and to openly and trust with integrity and fairness and equal opportunity to all staff to contribute and respect we understand and appreciate the value of our staff staff and customers and teamwork with the environment by diversity again not major changes but to start with these leading us closer to our vision and the following weeks we extended the table from the exclusive team
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with the organization to include high-level manages and a number of workshops this slide independence what we mean by strategic goals it is supportive of the main concept behind the strategic goals of the mission it is feature and focus and comprehensive basically looking at those being achievable and agency wide priorities as a concern to us i think that commissioner vice president moran we'll have conversation to make sure we're focusing on the problem we're trying to address that is under the strategic goals and for each of them we identified two champions on the executive team that will be held bank account account by the general manager for execution execution being delivery of that
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application so this slide is an important slide to pay attention it outlines the strategic goals that we decided to focus on and spend more time on themselves that is not everything in the organization while tried to talk about that a particular item is not reflected in specific goal by to articulate agency wide issues to have the attention into those areas. >> just to take you before i do a deeper dive on the 6 goals as far as the process we spent time to set up objectives for each of the goals and as contact to the ouchz their long term 3 to 4